surabhi
10-11 02:44 PM
I called up to find that my application is still not in the system. Surprisingly, the IO would not put the phone down and keeps on chatting to enlighten me. Seem to have lot of time on hand.
1. My application is most likely transfered to texas since my I-140 was approved there
2. FIFO is valid only if the application is not transfered. Once it is transfered, the receiving center will take the date 'they' received to put in queue for data entry. If your application took continental US tour, more delay.
3. He is asnwering 5-6 calls every day from July 2 filers. There are several of them. So plenty of July 2 apps still waiting to be entered.
4. The application is not rejected for sure, since even a rejection would be entered into the system.
5. he cannot raise a service request without receipt number.
I sent mail to USCIS withe fedex scanned signature, wrote to Senator. Its frustrating.
The bottom line is there is no bottomline, except to wait.
1. My application is most likely transfered to texas since my I-140 was approved there
2. FIFO is valid only if the application is not transfered. Once it is transfered, the receiving center will take the date 'they' received to put in queue for data entry. If your application took continental US tour, more delay.
3. He is asnwering 5-6 calls every day from July 2 filers. There are several of them. So plenty of July 2 apps still waiting to be entered.
4. The application is not rejected for sure, since even a rejection would be entered into the system.
5. he cannot raise a service request without receipt number.
I sent mail to USCIS withe fedex scanned signature, wrote to Senator. Its frustrating.
The bottom line is there is no bottomline, except to wait.
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hearthorbeguy
01-16 10:23 PM
Can some one please clarify what this case number is. Do we get the case number when we apply for visa, or this is just the approval notice number.
I am going for my interview on 23rd January to Mumbai. I was just trying to find out whether I can call KCC before leaving US to find out if my approval notice is in the PIMS system or not.
Did you call KCC to check if your approval is in PIMS system?
I am going for my interview on 23rd January to Mumbai. I was just trying to find out whether I can call KCC before leaving US to find out if my approval notice is in the PIMS system or not.
Did you call KCC to check if your approval is in PIMS system?
stuck_here
01-30 05:58 AM
hmm.. so this is very recent approval (just 3 months back). i know there are cases which are approved long back and they are also stuck in PIMS but we don't know their service center.. in your case we know that WAC with october 2007 approval is getting stuck..
is there any one with WAC receipt number and approval after October 2007?? if there is anyone please post your details...
I have a WAC number and petition approved in Feb 07. Stuck here for 1 month, 18 days and counting. I called DOS and didn't receive a positive response. Will try calling KCC tomorrow.
is there any one with WAC receipt number and approval after October 2007?? if there is anyone please post your details...
I have a WAC number and petition approved in Feb 07. Stuck here for 1 month, 18 days and counting. I called DOS and didn't receive a positive response. Will try calling KCC tomorrow.
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vin13
08-25 03:40 PM
If someone is a customer of Teleblend, they should contact them and ask them to provide a matching world plan service. Or else you and your friends will switch to Vonage. You will be surprised how fast teleblend will come up with a better plan than Vonage. In this country customer is the king. Vonage is trying to tie you up with an yearly plan. Wait and get Teleblend or other company to give you a better deal and you will save more money. Vonage is banking on being the first and capturing the market for 1 year before others give a better deal. It had to do it because people were switching to Teleblend, Omma or MagicJack. Now it is time for customers to contact these company senior executives and ask them to give you a good plan if they want you to stick with the company.
I contacted teleblend last week regarding the vonage deal. customer service rep said they are working on it. They could not give me any timeline.
I contacted teleblend last week regarding the vonage deal. customer service rep said they are working on it. They could not give me any timeline.
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makemygc
07-09 06:40 PM
Time to send pizza then
I'm sure Mr. Gonzalez will not forward it to army. His staff need it badly after working continuously for 48 hrs.
I'm sure Mr. Gonzalez will not forward it to army. His staff need it badly after working continuously for 48 hrs.
mani_r1
10-05 11:09 AM
Friends,
Finally we got our receipt numbers today from the Check Images. Our Application reached USCIS on 07/03 by USPS Mail. Don't know who signed it. Have been waiting for it patiently. All our receipt numbers start with SRC so from Texas. My I140 was approved form Texas and there was an LUD on the I140 on 07/28.
All the best for whom ever is waiting for the receipt numbers. You guys should get it pretty soon.
Finally we got our receipt numbers today from the Check Images. Our Application reached USCIS on 07/03 by USPS Mail. Don't know who signed it. Have been waiting for it patiently. All our receipt numbers start with SRC so from Texas. My I140 was approved form Texas and there was an LUD on the I140 on 07/28.
All the best for whom ever is waiting for the receipt numbers. You guys should get it pretty soon.
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nojoke
11-25 04:51 PM
Btw, who told you that guys like punjabi and others overbid or bought a house that they cannot afford? They could and still can afford these houses i.e. the monthly mortgage payments; the only thing they cannot do in the current market is to sell it (even at the price at which they bough i.e. break even) and that is why they are stuck with it if/when they decide to move to another city/job - so no point blaming these guys. If you want to blame somebody, blame the banks who appraised the same house at 500k 2 years back which they are appraising at 400k today, there in lies the problem.
Let me try to understand your logic. You don't have money and went to bank and requested that they help you out with a loan. They give you loan based on what you bid your house and it is all their fault. If only banks had refused the loan, you wouldn't have bought the house. Is this your logic? Do you ever think for yourself?:confused: I am not going to say that banks were not at fault. But to act like nothing is punjabi's fault is ridiculous.
BTW if you think he can afford it now wait for another year. The full impact of these mistakes will be known by then. We will be deep into a depression. We will have on top of it ALT-A resets and his house will lose more than 20K for sure. My opinion would be to sell it now and take the hit or wait and lose more. The housing will not rebound to the 2007 peek for a decade.
Let me try to understand your logic. You don't have money and went to bank and requested that they help you out with a loan. They give you loan based on what you bid your house and it is all their fault. If only banks had refused the loan, you wouldn't have bought the house. Is this your logic? Do you ever think for yourself?:confused: I am not going to say that banks were not at fault. But to act like nothing is punjabi's fault is ridiculous.
BTW if you think he can afford it now wait for another year. The full impact of these mistakes will be known by then. We will be deep into a depression. We will have on top of it ALT-A resets and his house will lose more than 20K for sure. My opinion would be to sell it now and take the hit or wait and lose more. The housing will not rebound to the 2007 peek for a decade.
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aquarianf
06-15 12:32 PM
Normally how long the medicals are valid, I have applied my 485 in the past with medicals that are 7 month old
Normally valid for 1 year but according to my CS these days USCIS is very strict about tb test so they they recommond it to be in within 6 month time frame.
Normally valid for 1 year but according to my CS these days USCIS is very strict about tb test so they they recommond it to be in within 6 month time frame.
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omved
06-25 08:25 PM
read that form carefully
as an EB-2 you DO NOT need it
then read the I-485, says excatly the same thing
you cxan add all the evidence you wat, that's fine
but it is not set forth as a requireemnst, in fact it's clearly excluded for EB petitioners.
So you mean that EB2 petitioners are not required to file affidavit of support (either I 134 or I 864) at all for their spouse who are on H4 visa....
as an EB-2 you DO NOT need it
then read the I-485, says excatly the same thing
you cxan add all the evidence you wat, that's fine
but it is not set forth as a requireemnst, in fact it's clearly excluded for EB petitioners.
So you mean that EB2 petitioners are not required to file affidavit of support (either I 134 or I 864) at all for their spouse who are on H4 visa....
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gconmymind
10-02 03:06 PM
Another approval to report. My wife's GC got approved yesterday, got CPO email.
Goodluck to all!
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Green.Tech
09-20 01:49 PM
I received a similar response to the 2nd SR. I was told that my case was under additional review and to allow them 60 days. However, my wife's case had been assigned to an officer for review.
Did you send an email to TSC.Ncscfollowup@dhs.gov (for TSC - another email for NSC). I had no clue where my application was when even 2006 cases were getting approved. I am seeing some movement after emailing them.
Did you get a response after you sent the e-mail? What movement do you see on your case?
Did you send an email to TSC.Ncscfollowup@dhs.gov (for TSC - another email for NSC). I had no clue where my application was when even 2006 cases were getting approved. I am seeing some movement after emailing them.
Did you get a response after you sent the e-mail? What movement do you see on your case?
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Macaca
10-17 07:28 AM
Lou Dobbs Crusades Against Spitzer�s Driver�s License Plan for Illegal Immigrants (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/17/nyregion/17dobbs.html) By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE | New York Times, October 17, 2007
ALBANY, Oct. 16 � The CNN anchor Lou Dobbs calls Gov. Eliot Spitzer �a genius.� But not in a nice way.
�I was being about as facetious as one could be,� Mr. Dobbs said in an interview Tuesday as he prepared for his nightly broadcast, �Lou Dobbs Tonight.� For the last nine days, the show has included discussion of Mr. Spitzer�s plan to allow illegal immigrants to apply for driver�s licenses.
Mr. Dobbs, a pinstriped journalist turned populist crusader against illegal immigration, is not a fan.
�It�s an abuse of power!� Mr. Dobbs thundered. �He is being absolutely irresponsible. When the governor of New York embarks on this kind of irresponsibility, it is national news as far as I�m concerned.�
And when Mr. Dobbs � whose broadcast is CNN�s second-highest-rated show � speaks, many people listen. His relentless mockery of Mr. Spitzer�s decision has thrust the driver�s license policy onto the national stage, helping fuel an uproar not only among New Yorkers, but among national groups opposed to illegal immigration as well.
As it happens, Mr. Dobbs was recovering from a tonsillectomy when Mr. Spitzer announced the policy on Sept. 21. But the anchorman went on the attack almost immediately after going back on the air Oct. 8, saying it was �hard to imagine what this governor is thinking.�
It only took him another week to conclude that Mr. Spitzer, in fact, was not thinking at all. �This governor is a genius,� he proclaimed disgustedly on Monday. �An overwhelming majority of New York voters oppose the governor, but he refuses to back down.�
With the television set on mute, the scrunch alone of Mr. Dobbs�s brow conveys his belief that Mr. Spitzer�s new policy is, possibly, the dumbest idea in the history of dumb ideas.
�I think he�s definitely had an effect,� said State Senator Martin J. Golden, a Brooklyn Republican who was on Mr. Dobbs�s show on Sunday to denounce the plan. �Everybody�s chiming in. I get e-mails from across the country because of Lou Dobbs. I got an e-mail from a soldier in Iraq saying, �Go for it, Golden, keep it up.��
Mr. Golden is one of several New York elected officials � most of them with more experience on New York 1 than on CNN � who have been recent guests on Mr. Dobbs�s show. Many have expressed support for proposals by state lawmakers to overturn the license policy or to deny funding for it.
But not everyone who goes on gets supportive e-mail messages.
Jos� M. Serrano, a Democratic state senator who represents parts of Manhattan and the Bronx, appeared with Mr. Golden to defend Mr. Spitzer�s policy, but found himself under a verbal barrage from both the host and his fellow guest. �Oh my goodness, that was something else,� Mr. Serrano said. �I think it was my first time on national television. I wound up debating both of them � Lou paid very little attention to Marty Golden and instead just kind of dug in on me.�
This next morning, Mr. Serrano said, his office was bombarded with angry e-mail messages from around the country.
�One guy wrote, �We will derail the illegal gravy train from within,�� he said. �I don�t really know what that means. Another person said, �Go back to Mexico, you�re obviously Mexican.�� (Mr. Serrano is from Puerto Rico.) �I�m not na�ve, but I was still surprised at the level of ignorance,� Mr. Serrano said.
(Mr. Dobbs�s correspondents have also stated on the air that illegal immigrants will need only a foreign passport to obtain a driver�s license, and that Mr. Spitzer�s policy was instituted through executive order, neither of which is true.)
Mr. Dobbs�s guests and interviewees are typically opponents of the policy. A segment that Mr. Dobbs pitched on Thursday as �a lively debate� on the issue, for example, featured the host and two members of the State Assembly who oppose the governor�s plan, along with a viewers� poll on whether Mr. Spitzer should be recalled. (Ninety-seven percent said yes.)
One person who has not made an appearance on Mr. Dobbs�s show, despite repeated invitations, is the governor himself. Christine Anderson, a spokeswoman for Mr. Spitzer, said scheduling problems had prevented the governor from appearing. The administration had made other officials available to Mr. Dobbs�s bookers, she said, including Michael A. L. Balboni, the governor�s top Homeland Security aide. But the show�s producers had declined.
�We don�t really have a position about his show,� Ms. Anderson said. �That said, facts matter, and what we have endeavored to do throughout this entire debate is to make an argument about the safety and security benefits to doing this.�
But Mr. Dobbs said that Mr. Spitzer, and Mr. Spitzer alone, is responsible for defending his new policy.
�The man hasn�t shown the gumption to come on the air and debate the issue with me,� Mr. Dobbs said.
ALBANY, Oct. 16 � The CNN anchor Lou Dobbs calls Gov. Eliot Spitzer �a genius.� But not in a nice way.
�I was being about as facetious as one could be,� Mr. Dobbs said in an interview Tuesday as he prepared for his nightly broadcast, �Lou Dobbs Tonight.� For the last nine days, the show has included discussion of Mr. Spitzer�s plan to allow illegal immigrants to apply for driver�s licenses.
Mr. Dobbs, a pinstriped journalist turned populist crusader against illegal immigration, is not a fan.
�It�s an abuse of power!� Mr. Dobbs thundered. �He is being absolutely irresponsible. When the governor of New York embarks on this kind of irresponsibility, it is national news as far as I�m concerned.�
And when Mr. Dobbs � whose broadcast is CNN�s second-highest-rated show � speaks, many people listen. His relentless mockery of Mr. Spitzer�s decision has thrust the driver�s license policy onto the national stage, helping fuel an uproar not only among New Yorkers, but among national groups opposed to illegal immigration as well.
As it happens, Mr. Dobbs was recovering from a tonsillectomy when Mr. Spitzer announced the policy on Sept. 21. But the anchorman went on the attack almost immediately after going back on the air Oct. 8, saying it was �hard to imagine what this governor is thinking.�
It only took him another week to conclude that Mr. Spitzer, in fact, was not thinking at all. �This governor is a genius,� he proclaimed disgustedly on Monday. �An overwhelming majority of New York voters oppose the governor, but he refuses to back down.�
With the television set on mute, the scrunch alone of Mr. Dobbs�s brow conveys his belief that Mr. Spitzer�s new policy is, possibly, the dumbest idea in the history of dumb ideas.
�I think he�s definitely had an effect,� said State Senator Martin J. Golden, a Brooklyn Republican who was on Mr. Dobbs�s show on Sunday to denounce the plan. �Everybody�s chiming in. I get e-mails from across the country because of Lou Dobbs. I got an e-mail from a soldier in Iraq saying, �Go for it, Golden, keep it up.��
Mr. Golden is one of several New York elected officials � most of them with more experience on New York 1 than on CNN � who have been recent guests on Mr. Dobbs�s show. Many have expressed support for proposals by state lawmakers to overturn the license policy or to deny funding for it.
But not everyone who goes on gets supportive e-mail messages.
Jos� M. Serrano, a Democratic state senator who represents parts of Manhattan and the Bronx, appeared with Mr. Golden to defend Mr. Spitzer�s policy, but found himself under a verbal barrage from both the host and his fellow guest. �Oh my goodness, that was something else,� Mr. Serrano said. �I think it was my first time on national television. I wound up debating both of them � Lou paid very little attention to Marty Golden and instead just kind of dug in on me.�
This next morning, Mr. Serrano said, his office was bombarded with angry e-mail messages from around the country.
�One guy wrote, �We will derail the illegal gravy train from within,�� he said. �I don�t really know what that means. Another person said, �Go back to Mexico, you�re obviously Mexican.�� (Mr. Serrano is from Puerto Rico.) �I�m not na�ve, but I was still surprised at the level of ignorance,� Mr. Serrano said.
(Mr. Dobbs�s correspondents have also stated on the air that illegal immigrants will need only a foreign passport to obtain a driver�s license, and that Mr. Spitzer�s policy was instituted through executive order, neither of which is true.)
Mr. Dobbs�s guests and interviewees are typically opponents of the policy. A segment that Mr. Dobbs pitched on Thursday as �a lively debate� on the issue, for example, featured the host and two members of the State Assembly who oppose the governor�s plan, along with a viewers� poll on whether Mr. Spitzer should be recalled. (Ninety-seven percent said yes.)
One person who has not made an appearance on Mr. Dobbs�s show, despite repeated invitations, is the governor himself. Christine Anderson, a spokeswoman for Mr. Spitzer, said scheduling problems had prevented the governor from appearing. The administration had made other officials available to Mr. Dobbs�s bookers, she said, including Michael A. L. Balboni, the governor�s top Homeland Security aide. But the show�s producers had declined.
�We don�t really have a position about his show,� Ms. Anderson said. �That said, facts matter, and what we have endeavored to do throughout this entire debate is to make an argument about the safety and security benefits to doing this.�
But Mr. Dobbs said that Mr. Spitzer, and Mr. Spitzer alone, is responsible for defending his new policy.
�The man hasn�t shown the gumption to come on the air and debate the issue with me,� Mr. Dobbs said.
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anotherone
01-29 06:28 PM
Is there some master list of companies that have been filed against ? Do you know of anyone on this list that have done so and won ?
What will that accomplish really ? I dont know if working for this place will be a good idea anyway after filing a suit against them... but OTOH if it helps other people or at least if its out there on the net, so other companies wont get his brilliant idea....
just musing, thankyou for replying to my posts so quickly.
What will that accomplish really ? I dont know if working for this place will be a good idea anyway after filing a suit against them... but OTOH if it helps other people or at least if its out there on the net, so other companies wont get his brilliant idea....
just musing, thankyou for replying to my posts so quickly.
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javadeveloper
01-09 04:06 PM
We have it in about us page if you scroll down
http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=47
Immigration Voice Achievements
1. September 18, 2007
1. DC Rally: Thousands of high-skilled immigrants march in the US Capital!
2. Lobby day: IV volunteers attend close to 125 meetings with lawmakers� offices to lobby for congressional intervention
3. Paid Advertisement in the Roll Call- the newspaper that covers the Capitol Hill
4. Media coverage: New York Times, Washington Post, Yahoo, BBC, OC Register, Business Week
5.
2. July 2007 Visa bulletin reversal
1. IV breaks the good news!
2. Flower campaign
i. USCIS takes note of the flower campaign
ii. Media coverage: Business Week, Reuters, Washington Post, New York Times, NPR, Others, Video coverage
3. San Jose Rally
i. Media coverage: Business Week
3. CIR 2006: Manager's amendment
1. IV lobbies to ensure that this amendment contains favorable provisions for high-skilled immigrants
2. The amendment was PASSED, although the bill itself did not survive
4. Access to lawmakers
1. IV is in close contact with Hon. Rep. Zoe Lofgren�s office on several issues related to Employment Based Immigration
2. IV closely worked with Hon. Rep. Zoe Lofgren who played an instrumental role in bringing about reversal of July Visa Bulletin
5. Contact with USCIS. IV was the first one to bring news of the July 2007 Visa Bulletin reversal
6. IV Spokesperson invited to conference at top US University
7. Only organization FOR high-skilled immigrants BY high skilled immigrants
1. Most visited site by high-skilled immigrants in the
2. Number of registered members has risen from 50 to 25000 in less than 2 years! The following are approximate figures:
i. 1/2006: 60
ii. 2/2006: 600
iii. 7/2006: 4500
iv. 1/2007: 7500
v. 7/2007: 15000
vi. 8/2007: 20000
vii. 11/2007: 25000
I may be wrong but we should have achieved more than this ... Let us know what we have to do to make this happen
http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=47
Immigration Voice Achievements
1. September 18, 2007
1. DC Rally: Thousands of high-skilled immigrants march in the US Capital!
2. Lobby day: IV volunteers attend close to 125 meetings with lawmakers� offices to lobby for congressional intervention
3. Paid Advertisement in the Roll Call- the newspaper that covers the Capitol Hill
4. Media coverage: New York Times, Washington Post, Yahoo, BBC, OC Register, Business Week
5.
2. July 2007 Visa bulletin reversal
1. IV breaks the good news!
2. Flower campaign
i. USCIS takes note of the flower campaign
ii. Media coverage: Business Week, Reuters, Washington Post, New York Times, NPR, Others, Video coverage
3. San Jose Rally
i. Media coverage: Business Week
3. CIR 2006: Manager's amendment
1. IV lobbies to ensure that this amendment contains favorable provisions for high-skilled immigrants
2. The amendment was PASSED, although the bill itself did not survive
4. Access to lawmakers
1. IV is in close contact with Hon. Rep. Zoe Lofgren�s office on several issues related to Employment Based Immigration
2. IV closely worked with Hon. Rep. Zoe Lofgren who played an instrumental role in bringing about reversal of July Visa Bulletin
5. Contact with USCIS. IV was the first one to bring news of the July 2007 Visa Bulletin reversal
6. IV Spokesperson invited to conference at top US University
7. Only organization FOR high-skilled immigrants BY high skilled immigrants
1. Most visited site by high-skilled immigrants in the
2. Number of registered members has risen from 50 to 25000 in less than 2 years! The following are approximate figures:
i. 1/2006: 60
ii. 2/2006: 600
iii. 7/2006: 4500
iv. 1/2007: 7500
v. 7/2007: 15000
vi. 8/2007: 20000
vii. 11/2007: 25000
I may be wrong but we should have achieved more than this ... Let us know what we have to do to make this happen
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chanduv23
06-12 04:41 PM
My piece of advice -
I see that a lot of people are not happy about L1 visa holders replacing them or their collegues because the sponsering company is either not following the law or found a loophole.
It is natural to get angry and frustrated. But I would suggest - not to be insensitive to those people as it is not their fault. Treat them well and good and help them understand what it is and why are you concerned.
Do a proper assessemt on what exactly the issue is and definitely help ourselves to make sure fraud is not being committed.
I see that a lot of people are not happy about L1 visa holders replacing them or their collegues because the sponsering company is either not following the law or found a loophole.
It is natural to get angry and frustrated. But I would suggest - not to be insensitive to those people as it is not their fault. Treat them well and good and help them understand what it is and why are you concerned.
Do a proper assessemt on what exactly the issue is and definitely help ourselves to make sure fraud is not being committed.
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Saralayar
01-20 10:55 PM
Still showing votes=380 points.. Hurry up.. Bump^^^
Want to keep alive this thread... ^^^ Bump^^^
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prioritydate
09-27 06:55 PM
Do you what you are talking about? One more term for GOP is a disaster. McCain would do nothing but spending more money on Iraq. There is no policy for John McCain. His only aim to continue Iraq war for 4 more years, and if possible, another four more years. They DON'T support same sex marriages. Remember! they are conservatives for God's sake. Republican party is good for oil companies and big corporates. For normal people like us, and specially for an immigration community, it would be an irreversible damage.
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mbawa2574
04-24 04:19 PM
B1/B2 is always prone to reject by 221(b). Wont impact that much.
More jobs will offshore. Indian companies will lower their billing rates drastically as they will move away from onshore/offshore model.
Go Wipro Go infosys Go TCS !!!! Do it the other way.
More jobs will offshore. Indian companies will lower their billing rates drastically as they will move away from onshore/offshore model.
Go Wipro Go infosys Go TCS !!!! Do it the other way.
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immigrationmatters30
04-06 09:13 PM
You read my mind.
Guys,
Also I have analyzed that people who have a date in 2008 somehow predict that the dates might move to 2008 and people who have a PD of July predict that dates will move to August . This is just an observation and nothing more , and if you go through the threads thats exactly what you will see.
Guys,
Also I have analyzed that people who have a date in 2008 somehow predict that the dates might move to 2008 and people who have a PD of July predict that dates will move to August . This is just an observation and nothing more , and if you go through the threads thats exactly what you will see.
Canadian_Dream
10-02 03:41 PM
Nope, I got only one set. A friend of mine got two set he and his spouse filed each other as dependent.
Here is a question for multiple I485 Filers:
Did you get multiple fingerprinting notices for each applicant too?
Here is a question for multiple I485 Filers:
Did you get multiple fingerprinting notices for each applicant too?
gin07
02-20 12:33 PM
hey guys in one of the forum you r talking about some A# in H1 approval under beneficiary box......but in my approval i don't have any number.....what does it mean??? i have to face PIMS problem:mad:
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